Forum disappears

At some point around noon yesterday, an anti-walmart forum - http://forum.walmartsucks.com/ - ceased to exist. It's unknown exactly what happened, but I suspect WALMART has restarted it's web censorship campaign. If you're not aware of it, back in the late 90's, walmart had an aggresive stance towards any negative sites online. Even now, walmart is the ONLY company that does this, as can be evidenced by the continued existance of sites like "BestBuySucks", "KmatSucks" and others.

I am attempting to contact the admins & owner of WMS, to confirm what happened.

QUARANTINE WALMART! (You've GOT TO see this!)

Well, during my daily search for news concerning walmart, I came across THIS:
http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/action_alert_6100_wal_mart_managers_quarantined_in_kansas_city/

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ACTION ALERT: 6,100 WAL-MART MANAGERS QUARANTINED IN KANSAS CITY

Criticizing the corporation’s woeful health benefits, hundreds of concerned Kansas City activists clad in hazmat suits, face shields and rubber gloves will quarantine the 6,100 Wal-Mart managers and executives who are meeting at the Bartle Hall in downtown Kansas City.

Read more at http://quarantinewalmart.com/

3:00pm Sunday, January 29
Bartle Hall, Kansas City, MO
Gather at Barney Allis Plaza (12th & Wyandotte)

The “Bureau of Workers Health”, organized by Kansas City ACORN and the Ruckus Society, will be armed with yellow caution tape, health hazard signs, and “Notices of Quarantine.” Individuals of the Bureau will serve the notices to the Wal-Mart managers as they come in and out of the center, directly confronting them about their store’s policies.
The quarantine will focus on Wal-Mart’s failure to provide health care to a majority of its employees, an issue recently in the media spotlight. Two weeks ago, Maryland passed a law compelling Wal-Mart to improve its health care benefits. Now, several other states are moving forward with similar legislation.
“It is outrageous that the largest corporation in the world has full-time workers who are forced to enroll in Medicaid at the Missouri tax-payers expense,” said Head Organizer of ACORN Kansas City, Andrew Ginsberg. The average pay for a Wal-Mart sales associate is $1,000 below the poverty line for a family of three. Company employees top Medicaid rolls in at least 16 states.

Pictures expected soon!

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I can't stop laughing! I mean, I have alot of contacts online, and NONE of them heard anything about this beforehand! Apparently, the planning for this thing was SO underground that it just suddenly popped up completely out of nowhere, catching the walmart people off guard!

You see, THAT is the key to dealing with a force that has you both outnumbered and outgunned - Plan your attacks SO outlandishly that they'll never guess what you got up your sleeve, or what you might do next. :D

Say WHAT? rofl!

In the past I've posted some stuff from a person known as "Musicat" at the door county forum. WELL...... He's his latest comment, and you're not going to believe it! OH, and you might want to sit down, so you don't hurt yourself when you start laughing. :D

http://www.doorbell.net/mb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1222#post1222
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MusicatAdministrator
PROVE you're not the Devil, and Are you still beating your wife?
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ColSamatoshiMember

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PROVE you're not the Devil

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If I were, why would I gives a rat's a** what happens to those local
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Are you still beating your wife?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That attempt to provoke me fell flat on it's face. I suggest in the future you
do better research.
BTW, how is it you've kept your place when you've been
forclosed both by the bank AND for back taxes?
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"He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a NUKE!" sums it up nicely. MY COMMENT, however, is right on target(I checked this guy out thuroughly).

And now without further delay, the identity of this idiot!

Laddie Chapman
4102 Glidden Drive
Sturgeon Bay, WI
54235
musicat@doorbell.net

If you feel like it, go ahead and write or email this bozo - let him know that the common men and women are the one's who REALLY hold the power. :D

Door County Advocate - pro-walmart?

Over the past month, I've noticed something in the Advocate that disturbed me to some degree. There have been very few letters to the editor speaking out against Walmart, while at the same time ALOT of lettershave been published in support of them. Why is this so disturbing? Because I myself have written several letters, and I know of others who have written to speak out, yet so far none of those letters have been printed. The first letter I sent was about a month ago.

I stopped down at the office today, and spoke with Joe (Knappen) about it. He says they're printed in the order they're recieved, but I don't know. SO, I will wait a little longer, to see if that is indeed the case. If not, I rev up operation "MARQUEE", which in short will be printing those anti-walmart letters and posting them on boards all over town(wicked grin).

And I know I promised to post that person's name, but I've also called in artillery on them so I want to see if we can break through his barriers and make him see the truth about what Walmart's REALLY up to before I go putting his name up in lights.

And the Walmart banking information that walmart supporters are claiming is a union plot? IT'S NO PLOT, as these actual news reports show!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/21/politics/21walmart.html?_r=1

http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/30321/

Two different stories from two different papers - ONE OF WHICH IN BENTONVILLE!


"The only limiter in battle is one's imagination"

SMOKING GUN!

This is one of the well to do people up here that seems to have it in for all the local businesses. Personally, I can't BELIEVE this person can be so self centered!

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POSTED BY: Musicat (Administrator)
Registered: Nov 2001Location: Door County, Wisconsin, USA
http://www.doorbell.net/mb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208

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Originally posted by ColSamatoshi
The thing about it though, is that walmart will drop their prices to drive everyone else out, then once those other businesses have folded, will raise them again. They did it before up here.
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They did? When/who/what? Can you document this assertion? When did WalMart drive out Target? Door County Hardware? Younkers? Did KMart leave because of WalMart? Or for other economic reasons, like mismanagement? Restructuring? OK, Prange Way went, but didn't they go out of business statewide for other reasons? (Not my favorite store, so I didn't shed any tears over this one.) The claim you just made is often repeated. I'm not sure how valid it is, but even if it is, so what? Isn't that allowed? And if not, who will be the arbitrator of what price to charge and what product line to carry, if not the market? Has the Soviet Union's experiment with central planning convinced you that the marketplace cannot be trusted? The "driving the little guy out of the market, then raising prices" argument might have made sense years ago, but it has very little impact now. WalMart's biggest competitor is not Target, but the Internet. WM raises prices, I buy online at the drop of a byte. Unless you can come up with a scheme to corner the Internet, this claim is only hot air.

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Originally posted by ColSamatoshi
You also have to take into account how many jobs walmart claims will be created and at what wage(which they tend to misrepresent), vs the jobs/wages that will be lost.
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That's certainly worth a consideration. We might have to put up with the employees from MacDonald's rushing over to apply at the new WalMart store -- now that would be a tragedy. Because, according to this seemingly unfavorable site, WalMart's wages are $8.23 an hour. According to a sign I saw last week at Sturgeon Bay's largest MacDonalds, their starting pay is $6.50 to $7.00 per hour. Don't get trampled in the rush for better pay. What does the average clerk at a downtown boutique or Younkers make? I don't know; I'm really asking, but I'll bet it's not much more than these figs.

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Originally posted by ColSamatoshi
Walmart can be likened to another group, back in the 40's, who promised various things and made commitments to get what they wanted, yet always broke those promises. Walmart has promised such things as a specific number of jobs, certain hourly wage, to protect the environment around it's stores, and more. yet in each case those promises have been nothing more than lip service. They have not only proven themselves to be without honor, but not to care what happens just so long as proffits keep rolling in. And unfortunately it seems that most Americans are willing to blindly accept such broken promises again and again.
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Accusations are easily made. I have no personal proof of any of this, and it is unlikely that good proof can be made; if it could, I would expect more court cases than there already are. Anyone can cry "foul!" in a loud voice. That's not how court cases are decided and how scientific principles are discovered. I reserve the right to be skeptical about things I cannot conclusively prove to myself. And even if all these accusations are true, there are remedies that can be and should be pursued. Laws, contracts, unionizing, boycotts are some that come to mind, and I support anything legal that gets promises to be kept. If you feel that the conduct of a merchant is the most important thing to you, as opposed to prices, location, selection, hours, etc., then please don't shop or apply for employment there. For others don't share your values or priorities and do not wish to be told how to live their lives by someone who claims to be holier-than-thou. But if you are using these unsupported accusations as an excuse to prohibit a merchant from building in this town, you have stepped over the line. Your rights end where mine begin, Sir. I have no right to tell you where to shop and you have no right to tell me. I say, build the store and find out what people think with their wallets.
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Now, that's fairly straightforward, right? WELL, I offered this person a CD of information to back up what I was claiming about walmart. Below is their response:

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ColSamatoshi,
thank you for your kind offer of a CD, even with contents not specified. However, I will not be picking it up. I have been a student of economics for at least 50 years; I have probably heard more arguments that you could ever invent on both sides of the question, but nothing can convince me that you have the right to tell me where to shop or where to be employed. You have every right to try to convince those who will listen; you have every right to shop where you wish, but you do not have the right to prevent me from entering into a voluntary contract as an informed buyer with a willing and informed seller or vice-versa.
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Does that or does that not sound like they are involved in the deal??? I am SOOOOOO tempted to post who this person is (and yes, I know who it is), but to be honest I will give him a little more time to open his mind. Say, 24 hours. (Hey, when it comes to upper class threatening the well being of working stiffs, my patience tends to be short!)

A losing battle?

I am a year round resident of the city of Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin(Pop. about 9,000). Why am I doing this? Because the city is currently CONSIDERING allowing WALMART to build a supercenter. To make matters worse, most residents apparently have no clue what the company is REALLY like - and a number of them (mostly well to do types like realtors and such) are actually trying to help them gain approval!

If you've been reading the local paper(Door County Advocate), You've no doubt seen that Christie Weber has started a group to try and stop it. I AM NOT A PART OF IT. I am an individual, just trying to protect a number of good friends who work at places that will be forced to close should the supercenter be allowed.

I have been tracking Walmart's tactics since the late 90's, and with all the information I've seen I can tell you with absolute certainty that if it's built Pick N save, Econo Foods, Greisen's appliance, Dunham's sporting goods, Autozone, Bay Pharmacy, Butch's auto, Malvetz furniture, 2 convenience store's, and even Door County Hardware WILL be forced under within 1 year of the supercenter opening it's doors.

You see, Walmart is unique in the business world, NOT because of it's size, but because of it's tactics. #1 - They build within a community for the express purpose of taking over and driving out ALL competing stores, even if it means they lose huge amounts of money doing it. #2 - With the application by walmart to the FDIC and Federal Banking Commision, the plan is starting to show. FIRST, they branched into groceries. SECOND, they branched into gas and auto service. THIRD, they want to branch out and start their own bank.

See a pattern? They are attempting a MONOPOLY! They want to compete in every aspect of commerce, driving out all others until they are the only business left anywhere. All stores everywhere will be walmart. If you're from the younger generation, ask your parents or other older person about MA BELL.

Well, that should be enough for people to think on for now, I'l try to post pics of the stores in here sometime in the future.